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Zero-latency monitoring for Digidesign 002 and 003

Is latency putting your singer off their stride? RME's Fireface can offer a unique solution...

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by Robert Holsman

Reading through the various Pro Tools forums, there are two commonly recurring themes. Firstly, Pro Tools users love Pro Tools software for its reliability, flexibility, ease of use, precision editing and  it being the only audio platform that maintains sample accurate sync across all tracks in a session. Secondly, we’re not so enamoured of the LE hardware. The 002 and 003 ranges have been singled out for having no zero latency monitoring, audio converters below par when compared with other manufacturers and low-gain, noisy preamps.

Users are addressing the audio quality issues by either adding external converters from the likes of RME and Apogee to the digital I/O of their Digidesign interfaces or having companies such as Black Lion Audio modify their internal workings. However neither of these solutions address the latency issue  although we’ve found one add-on that does –  using an RME Fireface audio interface as an external AD/DA converter and monitor mixer.

If you’re already familiar with all the issues surrounding zero latency monitoring, feel free to skip ahead but here follows a breakdown for those new to the topic.

Imagine you are a singer who is recording though a Digidesign 003. You have the mic in front of you and the backing track in your headphones. When you sing, you will hear your voice in your headphones, but only after it has gone down the firewire cable, been processed by Pro Tools, and sent back to the 003’s headphone sockets. All of this causes a noticeable delay, and it makes it really hard to deliver a performance.

The length of the delay depends upon the buffer size set in Pro Tools, the speed of the computer and whether or not there are any plug-ins being used. You can reduce the buffer size to minimum, but that delay will still be noticeable.

Other manufacturers produce audio interfaces which feature on-board routing that sends the mic signal directly to the headphones independently of it being sent to the recording software. However, Pro Tools LE can’t use anything other than a Digidesign interface, and only the small MBox products have this feature.

Pro Tools LE does have a “low latency monitoring mode” that can reduce the delay to a useable level. However, this comes at a cost – using it disables any auxes AND digital inputs  in your session.  So if you want to record through a specialist AD converter and sing over a backing made up of software instruments, you’re bang out of luck on both counts.

RME offer two models of Fireface – the 400 and the 800.  They differ in the number of channels and firewire connectivity, but  share a key feature – although they are audio interfaces they  also function as standalone AD-DA converters. Because they are audio interfaces, they have headphone monitoring sockets, and because they are rather good audio interfaces, they offer true zero-latency monitoring.  RME’s secret weapon for this is their TotalMix software which not only allows you to create a custom headphone mix from all the available inputs via an onboard mixer, it also features a routing matrix which can send the signal from any input to any output(s). (Although, if we’re getting technical, TotalMix allows you to create custom mixes for each pair of stereo outputs, so multiple independent monitor mixes can be created.)

Here’s how to set it all up:

  1. Install the drivers for the Fireface and daisy chain it via firewire to the spare port on the 003.
  2. Connect the ADAT In of the 003 to ADAT Out of the Fireface via lightpipe and vice versa.
  3. Open the control panel for the Fireface, switch to the matrix view and check the appropriate boxes so that input 1 is routed to ADAT out 1, input 2 to ADAT output 2 and so on.
  4. Route the returning signal the same way, so ADAT input 1 goes to analogue out 1, ADAT input 2 goes to analogue out 2 etc. Doing this will allow the fireface to function as an AD and DA converter.
  5. Check the appropriate boxes so that analogue inputs 1-8 are also sent to both Phones L and Phones R. Now you’ve got a headphone mix of incoming signals.
  6. Monitor speakers can now be connected to the RME’s analogue outputs 1 and 2
  7. Change the I/O setup of Pro Tools so that your main output path is now ADAT 1-2. Your mix will be sent out of ADAT 1-2 and the Fireface routing matrix will send it to the speakers.
  8. Now, whatever you plug into any input of the RME will be recorded via the corresponding ADAT input of the 003. For example, you can plug a mic into mic preamp 2 of the RME and you’ll be recording it in Pro Tools via ADAT In 2. If it helps, you can always rename the inputs in the Pro Tools I/O setup page to make it clear, and even disable the 003 analogue inputs if you’re not going to be using them.
  9. Go to Pro Tools Preferences > Operation and uncheck the “Link Record and Play Faders”. When you’re recording from an input on the RME, you’ll hear your source twice – once in realtime through the RME and as a delayed signal through Pro Tools. This will get really disconcerting unless you mute the volume of the track you’re recording onto. Unlinking Record and Play Faders means you can set the faders of all tracks to zero when they are record armed and they’ll return to normal when you’re not recording. Pro Tools will remember this state too, so whenever you go into record they’ll re-mute. Neat, huh?

So to summarize, what you gain is:

  • Better quality AD and DA conversion. If you want an example, just import some audio into Pro Tools and compare the difference between playing it back through the 003s own analogue outputs and via the RME outputs via firewire. You will hear a wider more detailed stereo image, and a greater frequency range too.
  • Zero Latency monitoring. At least from the RME’s inputs.
  • Better mic preamps. The RME’s digitally controlled mic preamps offer more gain, lower noise floor and more headroom than those in the unit.

What you are not doing is replacing the Digidesign 002 or 003, or using the Fireface as an interface that works with Pro Tools. Despite being an audio interface, we are using the Fireface as a standalone AD/DA converter to augment the inputs.

Happy tracking!

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Publication date Wednesday May 12, 2010

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Dnaiel, Utrecht, Netherlands
If you don't have the money to buy a ProTools (not Pro Tools) TDM system, then use a mixer for your monitoring and recording, and skip all the latency issues... If it is a good one, you can also use the digital IO to connect to your Digi.

Although I do believe there are people around with golden ears, I do not believe anyone who says he hears the difference between the named converters. Met studio owners who spent loads on Apogees or Prisms, but never noticed that their monitor system was out of phase.
Often it is the emperors new clothes...

Monday May 10, 2010

Tim, Jacksonville, Us
Sounds like a great "work-around", when solutions for quality and productivity come from outside the OEM, I tend to start looking for a better platform. MADI setup by RME running Nuendo 4 or Cubase 5 lastest MAC OS or Windows 7 and x64 support right now, not in beta.

Monday May 10, 2010

Tony, Vancouver, Canada
You have to ask yourself why go through all of this just to use pro tools. There are many good and better, in my opinion, platforms that don't require an 003. Why not use RME or SSL alpha link on it's own with another platform like Logic or Nuendo and skip the hassle. BTW Motu 828 mk3 has the same set up with there Cuemix software and at 1/2 the price and 2 more i/o's.

Monday May 10, 2010

Tom Holzen, Nashville, Tn, USA
I have a cheap solution to the issue -- I use a signal splitter after the preamp -- one goes to the 002 line in, the other to a little mixer which also gets my talkback mic and the monitor out from the 002, results in no delay very cheap as the little mixer then goes to headphone amps -- also lets me add reverb and EQ to the headphones to suit the artist while I record dry

Monday May 10, 2010

Swen, Loerrach, Germany
What's that? A joke? OK, RME makes nice interfaces, Apogee also, but they're not unique or so. I use Marian interfaces, which can compares to the ones of RME on every level. Zero latency monitoring was "normal" in my homestudio from the first day on. What about using a mixer with direct outs (connected to your interface) an monitoring over the mixer. There are many ways to rome.

Monday May 10, 2010

Pierre Mayo, Winston Salem, Nc, United States
RME makes great gear along with apogee, but I'm shocked to not hear you all talk about the SSL Alpha LInk interface with the MADI PCI card. I would tell anyone who is serious about the production to bump up to a PCI based system with a good interface. I love everything about my SSL Alpha Link, and was shocked when I first used it, I have had great audio translation and rock solid stability and the main issue of discussion... Latency.... Gone!
I use Digital Performer 7.12, but the best part about this interface is it works great with any software, it doesn't have drivers that cause issues with the programmers coding. I don't know if this is a sales pitch to push pro-tools, if it is then I am sorry for cock blocking your ad, but I have a new love for SSL and can honestly see why guys who use the SSL stuff never get on forums to piss and complain.... They just make productions which results in making money...... I know first hand now, I've joined that rank. I tell everyone check it out you will be impressed of this well kept secret!

Pierre

Monday May 10, 2010

 


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